Talk:Club of socials

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"Socials are inclined to regard Researchers with either a sort of contempt as in "needing to get out more and be more friendly", or admiration for their perceived knowledge in many areas."

Why contempt...Isn't that a bit strong? I haven't noticed that it's characteristic for Socials to express contempt. If anything, the attitude of Socials towards their duals and activity partners seems to mostly one of admiration; and to the extent that they think Researchers need to get out more, the expression seems to be more of pity. I'll change it to "pity" for now. --Jonathan 08:04, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Actually I much prefer that someone feels contempt than pity for me, but fine with me. And don't forget that conflictors and super-egos are there too. Expat 08:20, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

In my experience, people's attitudes towards their duals and activators are the opposite of their attitudes towards their conflicters and super-ego types. I'm skeptical that they can be grouped together like this the way we have done for quadras. (Admin 09:09, 22 June 2007 (CDT))

I don't find these descriptions either useful or correct. Duality cannot be described as the sum of two people that basically think of each other as inept but that need each other in order to get on with their daily business. Moreover, we're better off not even starting to talk about how is it possible that extraverted positivists are less likely to go out than introverted negativists, speaking about the ENT-ISF pair. FDG

The very concept of clubs in socionics is not meant to describe how people interact in a deeper, longer-term, one-to-one basis; that is better described by quadras or the relationships. I did try to point this out in the club descriptions. It's about people drawn together by common interests only, and how they perceive other groups of people drawn together by common interests. Surely, especially in a high-school or university environment, such "clubs" are recognizable? The pack of "nerds" that includes Alpha as well as Gamma NTs; the pack of "party people" that includes Alpha as well as Gamma SFs? Etc. Augusta, Gulenko and Lytov have referred to the existence of clubs as valid concepts, but it must be understood what it actually means. Expat 11:09, 28 November 2007 (GMT)

Ahhh okay good point allright, it's true. --FDG 11:26, 7 January 2008 (GMT)FDG