Talk:Ethical sensing introvert

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I will start by filling it with the bits from the functional descriptions, and later modifying them.Expat 16:56, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Perfect. These descriptions should also help us hone the descriptions of elements in each position of the model. --Admin 17:01, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

...in a sense using Si in a very Se way. -- I disagree with the implications of this phrase. Instead I would say, "taking an Se approach to fitness and dieting" or something like that. --Admin 18:00, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I disagree with it, too. My experience is that ESIs have an inclination to indulge in Si matters as in overeating etc when needing distractions, just like I have an inclination to indulge in Ne matters such as movies etc. But ESIs will always prefer to discipline themselves rather than indulge. I keep thinking if that can be applied to 8th funcion use generally. Expat 18:07, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

I fixed up that section of the Introverted sensing page. --Admin 18:25, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Do you see indulgence in movies as Ne-related because it is random input unrelated to your goals? or for some other reason? --Admin 18:28, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

that, but also because I tend to see fictional movies, those watched merely for fun (as opposed to documentaries etc) as essentially Ne. That is my main means of connection with my Alpha family, and the LSIs and ESIs whom I knew the closest had little interest in them. Expat 18:33, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Also, I think I will include that ESIs Ne makes them conscious about other people evaluating their abilities, which gives them a quasi-EIE quality of worrying what others think in that regard -- I have observed it a few times Expat 19:05, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Social roles

Rick: brilliant about number 3.

Where does the specific career goal come from, and how is that consistent with the insecurity? I have my own views but I'd like to hear yours. Expat 04:19, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

I've met a couple ESIs like this, and I'm not sure I can explain it completely. I think this is the form high achievement motivation generally takes in ESIs. Obviously, a "moralizer" isn't much concerned with achievement, but more with educating friends and family.

Each of these people would often say things like "I don't think he likes me, does he?" and would display great sensitivity to others' feelings to the point of seeming awkward. They had a specific plan for the future ("I'm going to spend the next five years in Ukraine, then go home" -- which seems sort of arbitrary to a type, but praiseworthy and decisive to a type), but seemed to be unsure and insecure that how events would develop. This uncertainty and worriedness about how events would probably unfold (), perhaps, gives them the mentality that they must simply forge ahead with the original plan no matter what, even if things appear to not be working out. And they never really know whether things are indeed "working out" ( + ?), until they actually have reached their goal. --Admin 09:45, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

Amazing. I can add that when it does become clear - sometimes of a sudden - that things are not working out according to the original plan, they just get go sort of, well, crazy for a while. With my own static-state IJ interpretation, I'd say that they have difficulty handling the transitional "leaps" between state or accepting that there will be one. As for the "I don't think he really likes me", it can get bizarre; even to the point of saying, "You think you like me, but you're just a bit infatuated, it will pass". Not sure how to explain that. Expat 10:09, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

"You think you like me, but you're just a bit infatuated, it will pass" -- that sounds like recognizing that others' feelings towards them are based on physical attraction and not 'real' feeling. --Admin 10:21, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

yes if you take it to mean that you can also be wrong when "recognizing" something. Expat 10:23, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

It's the static     reaction to dynamic ETj behaviour. The changes in the emotional signals from the ETj are large, and the static type must find the underlying emotion in order to determine the state of the relationship. This requires some sampling time, and paradoxically, the more obvious signals from the ETj, the longer time is required to determine if there is a more serious intent behind them. (The more infatuation the greater the risk that the ETj - or anyone else for that matter - is neglecting to consider the long-term aspects of a new relationship). The IFj must also come to terms with hir own feelings, which might be more or less difficult. During this period it's consequently more prudent to be stand-offish than to risk anything.--Henry 17:26, 9 December 2007 (GMT)

[edit] Updated

Ok, using the basic framework of the IM descriptions, I have updated it into an ESI-specific text. Expat 13:12, 10 August 2007 (BST)