09/11/2006 Pieter
What you are basically saying, is that in order to be happy, you need to return to your Id (=Vitality. I.e. Id in the Freudian sense, not in the Socionics sense), at the expense of the Super-Ego (the requirements of those other than you), which you claim is what is typically in control (which is true for most people).
However, the reality is that you cannot live without the social context, neither should one be complete subject (=machine) to the social context. This is why we have an Ego to mediate between the requirements of the Id and the Super-Ego. The Purpose of Self-Development is to arrive at a healthy balance between Id and Super-Ego with the Ego being the master of your life. It is what the Guatama Buddha described as the Middle Way, the principle of Enlightenment and the absence of suffering ;-)
09/11/2006 Author
Great comment. I think that perspective matches what I am trying to say on this page. How would you describe the role of the Ego and what it means for the Ego to be the master of your life?
09/11/2006 Pieter
The Ego is what decides between the requirements of both Id and Super-Ego.
Look at it like this:
Super-Ego is the "wise" parent in you, norms, values etc.
Ego is the adult person in you, the responsible person in charge, it's he
who should decide
Id is the child in you, your life force, your "will", your "I want this" or
your "I don't want his"
It is the task of the Ego to listen to the child in you making known its
wants and desires. It has then to decide if it is something approriate, or
if it is the appropriate moment (i.e. weighing these desires against the
requirements of the Self and the outer world, which is the Super-Ego, the "wise" parent). Sometimes it's also about weighing the requirements of the
Id and Super-Ego against themselves. You can allow a kid some candy if the
candy is not too bad, but you can't allow the kid all the candy it wants.
Also one should not be too moralistic by denying a kid all candy.
P.S. perhaps this clarifies it further: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego
please note that the Ego/Super-Ego/Id model is just a model, but it helps by
providing a concept of human motivation. There a lots of other theories,
that basically say the same thing. The overall idea is that there are things
you want from the outside world, and things the outside world wants from
you. There has to exist a healthy balance between the two. If you deny your
own wants, you will suffer because your needs will not be met. If you deny
the want of others, people will ultimately turn their backs on you, and you
will suffer too.
09/11/2006 Author
I would add to all that the personal value of obtaining self-knowledge, or "knowing ourselves." One can have what psychologists would call "healthy psychological development" and intuitively do things right without inner tension, and yet lack an understanding of one's inner mechanisms. If "success" is your goal, self-knowledge is not really a priority. However, a deeper interest in how people operate and why things are the way they are opens up new and interesting layers of reality.
09/11/2006 Pieter
Well, that's exactly what Buddha said: there is no such thing as loving a
happy life while being ignorant at the same time ;-)
09/23/2006 Lehel
I really like all your thoughts that you posted here. But there is one comment I'd like to make on this thought:
"Why do you need self-development in the first place? To become a more reliable and efficient machine? To impress others (the base motive of which is to obtain reproductive advantages of some order or another)? Do you really need self-development for your self?"
Perhaps, I'm misunderstanding your point. If you meant the questions to make one question the purpose of self-improvement, I say touche. But, if your point is that self-improvement can be seen as irrelavent, I beg to differ.
I believe that self-knowledge and self-development are powerful tools in helping us to reach our goals of contentment, enlightenment and self-actualization. Though, I agree with the idea of struggle giving us vitality, from one who has suffered a lot in this life, I can say that survival and suffering are definately not boring--but not pleasant either. I would rather be able to return to a level of inner peace and deviate from it having the ability to return to a level of inner peace again.
Perhaps, it really comes to a matter of control. People desire control over themselves and their lives. If they are ruled by unconscious forces and suffer from unresolved grief, indecisiveness, anxiety, neurosis and psychosis, such people would like to find a pleace of peace and sanity. Of course, that's the far extreme. There are people imbetween mental instability and self-actualization. And while people live, even if they have reached some mythical Nirvana, they will always have some measure of drama and excitement to kill boredom while they aren't seating in the Lotus position.
I digress. This is why I see self-development valuable. Our goals for self-betterment can be for the sake of goals independent of society around us.
09/23/2006 Author
Well said. The point of those questions was to make one question one's motives for self-development to see if you really want it for yourself — for your own personal joy and satisfaction — or as a means for achieving social rewards.