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Socionics Blog
July 2006
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July 26, 2006 |
Socionic typings as hypotheses
In light of my vision of socionics as a theory that attempts to explain human relations and interaction, every socionic typing can be seen as a hypothesis about what kind of interaction and relationships the person will have with other people we have typed. Significant discrepancies require that we re-think our typings or pinpoint additional factors that are influencing the interaction.
People's conceptions of others' types are remarkably rigid. It is not uncommon to think a friend or family member is a certain type for years on end, then finally realize that they are a different type, and that this new type accounts perfectly for the numerous discrepancies one noted over the years.
As an antidote to this slow-wittedness I recommend looking for the obvious and applying the following rule of thumb when typing people you know well:
Which type would provide the simplest possible explanation of our particular interaction pattern?
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07/29/2006
Blaze
This seems like good advice. I thought a family member was an intj (LII) for years and it turned out he was an infj (EII) (lookalike to intj). It just goes to show you that our impressions of people can be based on superficial information.
As far as ironing out the simplest explanation for interaction patterns, this may be harder than it sounds, since there can be many evident patterns of interaction.
07/31/2006 Expat
In principle, I agree. But it will be useful mainly for "extreme" relationships ie those particularly favorable or unfavorable. For instance, my best longer-term relationships are all favorable, duality, semi-duality, mirror. And in the case of quasi-identical or conflictor family members the pattern is also clear. But in the case of "intermediate" relationships, such as benefit, super-ego, and comparative, the dynamics are less clear since (for instance) the presence, or absence, of common interests can mask the socionics dynamics considerably.
07/31/2006 Author
Good point. Distinguishing the "intermediate"
relationships and the structural causes requires more discernment than for those that are typically good or typically bad. |
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July 15, 2006 |
More "bad socionics"
Today I wrote a summary of an essay on whether socionics should be taken to the masses. In the article there is a warning that people who are not sufficiently educated or intellectually prepared will tend to use socionics to justify discrimination and bigotry. Here is an excerpt from an article called "Whom to Choose for a Leadership Post" (link is to machine translation):
It is preferable that people with the trait of introversion do not occupy leadership positions, since they do not possess responsibility, activeness, and initiative in activities and, once in leadership, lose the ability to treat people decently.
Much of the rest of this site is written in this same preachy tone and smacks of narrow-mindedness.
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07/27/2006 Expat
I agree with the sentiment that socionics should not be taken to the "masses" for the reasons described. But I'm not sure about the "sufficiently educated or intellectually prepared" people either. HR departments across the world already use typings - whether MBTI or similar - to decide whether someone is "suited" for a job, based on tests. HR people are very keen to promote the validity of this, and there are companies that even claim that softwares based on Big Five already allow them to build up "perfect" teams.
07/27/2006 Author
Here in Ukraine I don't believe any companies use socionics tests or would take them too seriously other than to find out basic information about the person. Socionics is seen as being more complex than that, and it is widely recognized that tests give only marginally accurate results, whereas in Meyers-Briggs typology, it's pretty much assumed that you are the type you get on the test. So I don't think socionics will be used in the same way as the MBTI. It has too much of an "academic" bent and is seen as requiring real expertise to apply. |
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July 15, 2006 |
The worst of "visual identification"
I generally don't like to criticize other people, but this really deserves it. There is a notorious site on "physiognomical socionics" (in Russian only) that is consistently denounced by other socionists, but still manages to dupe a fair number of people by providing a detailed methodology based on more or less quantifiable physical features, courses, articles, and a sense of authoritativeness and all-knowingness. For instance, in response to a question about why there are so few EII women in his type catalog, the author ("Typologist") replies:
EIIs and, in particular, EII women are in the minority in our society. There is a catastrophic shortage of them. Together with the other intuitive ethical types (IEI, EIE, IEE) they form the least numerous group — 1-5% in different groups. I couldn't believe it at first either. But what can you do — facts are facts. Intuitive ethical types are least common. [source]
The site presents a list of the U.S. presidents and their types (in Russian, but the pictures and universal function symbols should help figure things out easily). Note that the first 15 presidents were all LSEs. In total 32 presidents were LSE, 3 were LIE, and the rest remain uncertain. Assuming these results were obtained using the site's stated "physiognomical" methods, none of these presidents' biographies were studied. Regarding the accuracy of his typings of famous people, the author claims that "more than 90% are typed correctly, by their appearance." Everywhere in his writings, the author uses the term "exact result," saying that other socionists "are not able to guarantee exact typing results," and, if what you want is an exact result, send him pictures and he will tell you your "guaranteed" type. When critics type people on his site differently, he tells them that they "apparently are typing wrong," but that "if they have the desire, they can learn to type better."
This narrow and manipulative approach should go down in history as a farce of socionics. |
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July 14, 2006 |
Inadequacy of popular psychology
I'm often amused by how little is actually understand about human psychology, even when pop-explanations abound. For instance, in reading biographies of famous people one often reads things like:
The roots of his reclusiveness clearly go back to his childhood, when his father mercilessly ridiculed him...
And then in another biography of another person we read something like:
His rebellious nature formed in his childhood under the influence of his father's constant ridicule...
In the first biography, it is suggested that parental ridicule leads to reclusiveness, while in the second it supposedly leads to rebelliousness. In other words, no one really has any idea why people turn out the way they do, although biographers sense that it has something to do with various episodes in people's lives, usually in their growing up years. It will take a much greater knowledge of the human mind and workings of the psyche to move beyond these logically inconsistent pop-psychology explanations of human behavior and development.
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08/04/2006 Expat
I had noticed this as well. I suggest it is the prevalence of Freudian (or pseudo-Freudian) thinking in the conventional wisdom. People are supposed to start as "the same" and if someone displays certain patterns of behavior, they "had" to have their causes in something that happened during their childhood.
08/04/2006 Author
I think you're right. People have gotten used to attributing everything to childhood experiences, and the mass consciousness has not yet realized that these explanations are often inconsistent and even completely arbitrary. |
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July 14, 2006 |
Popularity of socionic types
One thing I've noticed is that certain types are more "popular" among the community of socionics enthusiasts. It's possible the types that are popular in the Russian speaking world (what I talk about below) are different from those that are popular in the English speaking world (due to the influence of MBTI-related stereotypes). Forgive me for exaggerating here somewhat:
Popular types: ("Oh wow, that's cool! I am, too!")
ILE, LII, IEE |
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Stereotype image:
ILE - an unconventional intellectual who's interested in everything and engages in endless discussion on complex abstract topics.
LII - a sharp guy who understands everything and can explain it to you in a systematic way.
IEE - a carefree, happy-go-lucky type who can get away with any inconsistency by saying, "well, what can you expect from a Geksli?!" (this appeals to people who don't want to feel responsible for anything) |
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Respectable types: ("Oh, neat!")
ILI, EII, IEI |
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ILI - a computer geek who knows all about socionics but has his own strange version of the theory that turns everything upside down.
EII - a quiet, sensitive intellectual type who understands the inner workings of each of the types.
IEI - a creative, dreamy, and goofy person who everyone likes to have around. |
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Neutral types: ("OK, whatever. So, what do you do?")
LIE, SEE, SLI, SEI, ESE, LSE |
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(these types don't seem to have strong stereotypes that I'm aware of) |
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"Questionable" types: ("Hm. Well, um, nice to meet you.")
EIE, SLE |
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EIE - a brooding revolutionary who introduces discord and feeds off of contention.
SLE - a scary person who will suddenly get all mad for no reason. |
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Unpopular types: ("Uh, really? Are you sure about that?")
LSI, ESI |
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LSI - this type isn't interested in stuff like socionics.
ESI - the party pooping type. |
The tendency is clearly for people to mistype themselves in favor of more "popular" types that are written about and discussed more often. I know SLIs who think they are ILEs and SEIs who think they are IEEs, but never the other way around. EIEs often masquerade as ILE, LSIs as LII, and so forth. |
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08/20/2006
Maisy
"Respectable types: ("Oh, neat!")
ILI, EII, IEI
ILI - a computer geek who knows all about socionics but has his own strange version of the theory that turns everything upside down."
Oh, neat! I love that exaggeration of the ILI, which I am one such, it's spot on! :)
08/20/2006 Stormy
There seems to be a split between Sensation and Intuition - note how no Sensing Types are in the top two categories and only one Intuitive Type is in the bottom two categories.
08/29/2006 Author
Yes, in "socionics for the masses" intuition somehow got associated with intellect. However, in a few rare places you can find intuiters described as impractical dreamers who aren't able to do anything. |
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July 13, 2006 |
Limitations on function definitions
In the quest for understanding, there is a tendency for people to try to reduce as many phenomena as possible to a single explanation. In socionics (and other typologies) this takes the form of trying to explain all differences between people within a single system of 16 types. In particular, socionics enthusiasts look for functional explanations of highly visible personality traits. There is a constant temptation to switch from studying traits related to information metabolism to more readily visible personality traits. While these two spheres certainly overlap, pursuing one or the other route will lead to two quite different places.
It is crucial for the development of socionics that we recognize our goal to be perfecting a system of types that explains relationships as well as possible. The socionics community as a whole seems to keep this in mind, but this principle has not yet been stated outright, and many socionists have strayed away from it. In my opinion, if socionics strays too far from this goal and drifts to describing personality traits with an ever looser view of intertype interaction, another typology that does explain relationships will eventually come along and take over. There is now intellectual demand for such a typology, so if socionics doesn't meet the challenge, something else eventually will.
In light of socionics' goal as I see it, we can formulate two rules for correctly understanding the socionic functions.
- In order to be "true," function definitions (e.g. "
as a leading function means...") must be limited to the traits that are common to all people who share the given function. Traits of famous people that are an obvious outgrowth of a particular function, but are not shared by all representatives of the type, technically cannot be included in the function definition.
- Function definitions are interdependent, since their definitions must lead to adequate explanations of intertype relations. In other words:
- "What is ?"
- " is everything that complements "
If we have built function definitions according to point 1, but find that they do not satisfy criterion 2, then we have the "wrong" types. If our understanding (or stereotypes) of is full of things that are not in fact complementary to what we understand to be , then we are probably typing incorrectly much of the time.
Point 2 above is related to what I call socionics' "quality control criterion." The criterion is that however we type, our typings must somehow account for much of what goes on in relationships. |
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